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Ford
Posted: July 14, 2006 11:57 am
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By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
Published: November 27, 2002
The Bush administration asked a federal claims court today to seal documents relating to hundreds of claims that a mercury-based preservative in vaccines, thimerosal, has caused autism and other neurological disorders in children.

Lawyers for the Justice Department asked for the protective order on behalf of Tommy G. Thompson, the secretary of health and human services, whose department administers a government fund to compensate people injured by vaccines.

A department spokesman said that the law creating the fund gives the secretary control over what information is released and that the government was merely trying to preserve that right.

About 1,000 families have filed claims under the program, asserting that their children suffered mercury poisoning from the vaccines, which until recently included the preservative. The claims are being heard by a special master, George Hastings, in a so-called vaccine court that was created in 1986, when Congress passed the measure setting up the government fund.

Lawyers for the families said they were outraged by today's move. They said the government was trying to prevent families from obtaining damaging information about the preservative, which could later be used against drug companies in civil courts.

''We're dealing with real injury to real children in a program that is funded by taxpayer dollars,'' said Michael R. Hugo, a Boston lawyer. ''It is unbelievable to me that the president of the United States, in the name of trying to help the drug industry, would put the interests of the drug industry over the interests of neurologically impaired sick children and their parents.''


Today's move comes on the heels of another controversy involving thimerosal.

Congressional Republicans inserted a provision into the domestic security bill, signed into law on Monday by President Bush, that is intended to protect Eli Lilly, thimerosal's manufacturer, from lawsuits over the preservative. The provision would force families to seek compensation through the vaccine court instead of civil courts.

Michael Bender, a spokesman for the Mercury Policy Project, a nonprofit advocacy group that is helping the families, said today's move ''amounts to insult on injury'' for children whose parents have filed claims.

''Suppressing these documents,'' Mr. Bender said, ''flies in the face of an open and transparent court system.''


Despite even this, I still believe justice is possible. There is nothing, not even the power of the United States government, that is more powerfull than the love between a parent and child. It is our government after all.


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Posted: July 16, 2006 01:36 am
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Yes... this is bad news but it shows there IS something to hide and they are scared.

Laws and executive orders can be overturned.


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Posted: July 16, 2006 06:41 pm
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You know, Bush made a campaign promise prior to his re-election that he would push for the elimination of mercury from vaccines...

Yeah, sure ya will, dubya!
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Posted: August 05, 2006 03:15 pm
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QUOTE (quantumerik @ July 16, 2006 02:41 pm)
You know, Bush made a campaign promise prior to his re-election that he would push for the elimination of mercury from vaccines...

Yeah, sure ya will, dubya!

Yeah, elimination from the public record that is.


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Posted: August 05, 2006 09:01 pm
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mad.gif THIS IS WHY I DON'T VOTE!!!!!!!! ITS A DAMN JOKE, THE FOUNDING FATHERS ARE ALL ROLLING OVER IN THEIR GRAVES, THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON. It doesn't matter what they try to cover up, in about 20 years the majority of the poplulation in this country will be Autistic or ASD, then we'll see who has the last laugh. You know when I'll vote? When an Autistic person runs for office, because I'll know that things will be fair.


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Posted: August 06, 2006 06:11 am
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This is why you MUST vote!


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Register Libertarian, or Peace and Freedom, or Green Party. But vote.


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Posted: August 07, 2006 01:23 pm
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If you don't vote, you deserve everything Bush throws at you!

"The penalty that good men pay for not being interested in politics is to be governed by men worse than themselves" -- Plato

Plato has a point, my friend.
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Posted: August 07, 2006 10:20 pm
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I understand the frustration and hopelessness when considering politicians. The truth is, there isn't a lot of difference between republicans and democrats anymore. Sometimes I think the arguments are over non issues and are put on just for show. From this point on, all my votes will go to whoever is on our side concerning the issues on this board. However, I feel that an individual has just as much right to not vote as they do to vote.


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Posted: August 08, 2006 07:44 am
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QUOTE (Ford @ August 08, 2006 02:20 am)
I understand the frustration and hopelessness when considering politicians. The truth is, there isn't a lot of difference between republicans and democrats anymore. Sometimes I think the arguments are over non issues and are put on just for show. From this point on, all my votes will go to whoever is on our side concerning the issues on this board. However, I feel that an individual has just as much right to not vote as they do to vote.

Yes, hence an open society that doesn't force its citizens to vote. But if someone is going to complain about who's in office...after refusing to vote... they're part of the problem and should realize that.

Democracy only works when folks resist the temptation to become complacent. When people actively participate in the democratic process... and I'm not just talking about voting (but regularly communicating with elected official on important matters)... then we are LESS likely to have a situation where someone like DUBYA can climb the political ranks.

It is WE the PEOPLE...and WE alone... that can filter out the scum, but we have to keep a watchful eye, exercise our right to vote and write letters to our officials to keep them abreast of what's important to us.

It is wrong to throw up one's hands and say "it doesn't matter," because of a perceived similarity between candidates or parties. When you don't participate, you get left behind...that's all there is to it.
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Posted: August 11, 2006 01:47 pm
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QUOTE (Ford @ August 08, 2006 08:20 am)
I understand the frustration and hopelessness when considering politicians. The truth is, there isn't a lot of difference between republicans and democrats anymore. Sometimes I think the arguments are over non issues and are put on just for show. From this point on, all my votes will go to whoever is on our side concerning the issues on this board. However, I feel that an individual has just as much right to not vote as they do to vote.

Agreed, untill I feel that someone has my child's BEST INTERESTS, HELL WAIT MY CHILD'S HEALTH AND WELL BEING AT HEART. as well as not being full of crap. Then I will vote. I don't vote guys because for the last 10 years, there hasn't been ANYONE WORTH VOTING FOR. I refuse to cast a vote for anyone unless its someone I believe in. So far, NADA.


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Posted: August 11, 2006 01:52 pm
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QUOTE (quantumerik @ August 08, 2006 05:44 pm)
QUOTE (Ford @ August 08, 2006 02:20 am)
I understand the frustration and hopelessness when considering politicians. The truth is, there isn't a lot of difference between republicans and democrats anymore. Sometimes I think the arguments are over non issues and are put on just for show. From this point on, all my votes will go to whoever is on our side concerning the issues on this board. However, I feel that an individual has just as much right to not vote as they do to vote.

Yes, hence an open society that doesn't force its citizens to vote. But if someone is going to complain about who's in office...after refusing to vote... they're part of the problem and should realize that.

Democracy only works when folks resist the temptation to become complacent. When people actively participate in the democratic process... and I'm not just talking about voting (but regularly communicating with elected official on important matters)... then we are LESS likely to have a situation where someone like DUBYA can climb the political ranks.

It is WE the PEOPLE...and WE alone... that can filter out the scum, but we have to keep a watchful eye, exercise our right to vote and write letters to our officials to keep them abreast of what's important to us.

It is wrong to throw up one's hands and say "it doesn't matter," because of a perceived similarity between candidates or parties. When you don't participate, you get left behind...that's all there is to it.

I don't complain about the president, I complain about the WHOLE SYSTEM. The Gov't, the pharmaceutical companies, the CDC, the WHOLE NINE YARDS. Sure you can vote ofr your president and your gov't leaders. But the people who are behind all of these wrongdoings are people that are in the gov't untill they fall over and die. Sure I can complain about them, I didn't vote for them, maybe my grandma did. I didn't vote for anyone sitting in the CDC, PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES, either, did any of you? No? because you can't. It's not just the president, the president is a figure head in alot of ways. he didn't make this mess, but he is supplying alot of charmin to those who did. When he's out of office, this mess and the people behind it will still be there. I doubt if any gov't offical has the balls to correct this. Right now seems the pharmacuetical co. and the CDC holds all the cards in this issue. The gov't and all of the others are just along for the ride. If they blow the whistle on them they will go down as well.
Democracy? Oh boy I stopped believing in that when i stopped believing in Santa Claus. That too my friends is a joke. It's a nice pipe dream, but thats all it is. If we truly had a democracy in this country you wouldn't have people trying to shut your board down. THAT is communist tactics, and all about control, same with these "fake illnesses" and bird flu scares that pop up every year, that we all HAVE TO GET VACCINATED AGAINST OR ELSE WE MAY DIE. Take a minute and really think about WHO REALLY CONTROLS THIS COUNTRY.....it's nobody in the white house I can assure you.


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Posted: August 11, 2006 02:06 pm
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I hear you loud and clear. But voting is something we CAN do...something that if we give it up, we start sliding down a slope of apathy... and give control to people we will like even less.

Another thing we can do is to register as candidates in local elections and get involved in the community. (probably when the kids are grown...)
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Posted: August 12, 2006 03:43 pm
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True. And honestly if there was someone who ran for office that made Autism an ISSUE that would make it easier for Parents to get medical compensation for their childs Autism without having to bend over backwards and beyond then YES, I would vote for that person. So far from what I've seen from the current political person in office I would be EMBARASSED if I had voted for him, not to mention angry as hell. Its not the interest of the public that these people have. Take for instance the hot topic of bush(he's not in caps for a reason)granting protection to the pharmaceutical companies and ol Eli. sealing the records of files of KNOWN AND PROVEN MERCURY POISONING FROM VACCINES. What kind of government is this? Democratical? It smells alot like what went on in Germany, with the germans denying the jews were ever in concentration camps. The war on terror should start at HOME. I see no difference in what we're fighting against versus what they are doing to their own children in this country. Do you? Parents are going BROKE, I'm one of them, because of High insurance costs for healthcare, which alot can't afford. High costs of therapies for their children, the cost of living, and the fact that alot of families can only have ONE breadwinner because SOMEONE has to stay home with their Autistic child to drive them back and forth to therapy. I think that I really lost all of my faith in this countries system when I worked at a doctors office. I saw ALOT OF FOREIGN PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY ON MEDICAID. Muslims, whatever you want to call them. They were not residents of this country had NO social security number BUT WERE ON MEDICAID. Apparently, the fathers were residents? Who knows, but the moms and all of their kids weren't. and because of their religion they are not allowed to work BUT GET GOVERNMENT BENEFITS. Yet someone like me who needs medicaid for my son is not allowed to apply because the waiver is not valid untill my child turns 6 then we're on a lottery waiting list till god knows when. ALL AUTISTIC CHILDREN ON THE SPECTRUM SHOULD HAVE ALL OF THEIR MEDICAL AND THERAPY PAID FOR BY THE GOV'T REGARDLESS OF PARENTS INCOME. ESPECIALLY IF THE PARENTS HAVE NO OTHER ACCESS TO HEALTH INSURANCE. I'm sorry its nothing personal against anyone on this board, but thats the way it should be. Parents and children who are disabled, Autistic etc should not be forced out of thier homes because they are using EVERY DAMN DIME THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THERAPY FOR THIER CHILD. SHOW ME SOMEONE WHO CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM IN ONE YEAR AND NOT TAKE 20 YEARS TO DELIBERATE ON IT, AND YOU'VE GOT MY VOTE. GUARANTEED. To me Autism is a hell of alot more important than Iraq, than "gay marriage" constitution bullshit and everything else in the news right now. THIS IS THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY AND THE MAJORITY OF AUTISM PATIENTS ARE MALE. Does that mean that Women will finally be allowed in the oval office because no man will be capable by "societies standards". ? It's screwed up.


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Posted: August 12, 2006 07:04 pm
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That is the best ever! I agree 100%.


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