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Amok	Posted: August 14, 2006 01:53 am
Deputy Group: Members Posts: 145 Member No.: 3 Joined: June 07, 2006	Here here! -------------------- Do not interfere in the matters of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup! Just because I'm "paranoid" does not mean they're not out to get me.

quantumerik	Posted: August 14, 2006 09:05 am
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 92 Member No.: 13 Joined: June 19, 2006	juls, I hear ya. My family is financially strapped... with my wife having M.S. (unable to work) and my daughter being autistic... our medical bills have outstripped our credit card debt. We can barely afford to pay for anything... in fact, I could foresee us losing our home in two years if I don't double my salary SOON! And yes, I blame the bush and quayle families for their parts in this. Since our government is incapable of doing the right thing... it's up to us to force them. Rally parents to push for legislation...bug the shit out of your legislators/senators/congress people... and when you pass legislation... to camp out on the governor's front stoop to get him to sign the damned thing. I've yet to do this personally, but I know parents who have done it... and I have the utmost of admiration and respect for them as heroes. :-)

Jim	Posted: August 14, 2006 11:17 pm
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 382 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 08, 2006	Please enlighten me as to the role of the Quayle family. --------------------

Ford	Posted: August 15, 2006 12:19 am
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 361 Member No.: 1 Joined: June 07, 2006	I can't afford chelation. But I can help spread awareness, and meet with politicians. Most people on the street I tell about this look at me like I should be wearing a tinfoil hat. -------------------- "Only after the last tree has been cut down…the last river has been poisoned…the last fish caught, only then will you find that money cannot be eaten." Cree Indian Prophesy. "All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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Posted: August 15, 2006 12:45 am

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QUOTE (Ford @ August 14, 2006 08:19 pm)

I can't afford chelation. But I can help spread awareness, and meet with politicians. Most people on the street I tell about this look at me like I should be wearing a tinfoil hat.

I have several. Would you like a fedora, derby, or that Indiana Jones style thing? Oh, and what size?

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Just because I'm "paranoid" does not mean they're not out to get me.

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Posted: August 15, 2006 07:34 am

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QUOTE (Jim @ August 15, 2006 03:17 am)

Please enlighten me as to the role of the Quayle family.

The Quayles ran Eli Lilly for a long time. The Quayles put George Bush Sr.'s on their board of directors back in the 70's... which is why Dan Quayle was added to the ticket as V.P. when Bush ran for president in '88!

It's a big 'ol happy boys club where one hand washes the other, favors are exchanged, etc. ad nauseum.

Putting Duya in office these last 8 years was a WET DREAM for those connected to the Bushes. Dubya was a f.u.c.k.-up prior to public life... running businesses into the ground, etc. They basically put him and his brother into governorships...and groomed Dubya for presidency once his father had become V.P. under Reagan. All these guys are crooked. Yet nobody is investigated and nobody goes to jail. It doesn't matter that they extort money from congress with trumped-up claims of WMD's in Iraq... or by exaggerating the size of Al Qaeda (which Reagan & the CIA during his administration funded in the 80's by the way). People know this connection but still somehow manage to reelect Dubya because he spouts off about "family values."

51% of america are idiots.

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Posted: August 15, 2006 12:00 pm

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"The Quayles ran Eli Lilly for a long time."

I had forgotten about that.

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juls35inva	Posted: August 17, 2006 07:38 pm
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 161 Member No.: 6 Joined: June 08, 2006	Quantermerik(sp?) why don't you get your butt out there and run for office. MAKE A VOTER OUT OF ME. Seriously, you sound informed, educated and (gasp) honest. I would vote for Ford too but he's busy running this site. Hey I'm not being sarcastic and funny here I'm being serious. Get on the campaign trail. -------------------- MOM TO 2 BOYS: AGE 12-ADHD, AGE 3-PDD-NOS

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QUOTE (Amok @ August 15, 2006 10:45 am)

QUOTE (Ford @ August 14, 2006 08:19 pm)

I can't afford chelation. But I can help spread awareness, and meet with politicians. Most people on the street I tell about this look at me like I should be wearing a tinfoil hat.

I have several. Would you like a fedora, derby, or that Indiana Jones style thing? Oh, and what size?

Actually, he would get better reception with a tinfoil hat.

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MOM TO 2 BOYS: AGE 12-ADHD, AGE 3-PDD-NOS

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QUOTE (Ford @ August 15, 2006 10:19 am)

I can't afford chelation. But I can help spread awareness, and meet with politicians. Most people on the street I tell about this look at me like I should be wearing a tinfoil hat.

I'm not sure chelation is all that safe. Plus, the only way they can really be sure if your child didn't test poistive for mercury is to do chelation and see if mercury is dumped into the urine. It seems really risky. I mean It would be great if it worked but its a big if. yeah, and who can afford it? Thats something else we shouldn't have to pay for. if your child starts dumping mercury after chelation then shouldn't it be the "vaccine" people that should cover that expense. Of course if they block anyone from being responsible, geez this just sucks all the way around.

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Posted: November 16, 2006 09:03 am

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David Kirby, the autor of "Evidence of Harm", posted this in his blog.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/...ou_b_34232.html

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The Other Secret Bush Court? (6 comments )
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Next year, a "Special Master" in an obscure Federal court known only to a few Americans will preside over a highly sensitive judicial matter of urgent national importance. The Bush Administration wants to hold the hearings in a sealed courtroom, off limits to the press and public, with stiff "sanctions" for any outsider who attempts to gain unauthorized access to the secretive proceedings within.

Terror trials in faraway Gitmo? Good guess. But these are vaccine trials on New York Avenue, in downtown Washington, at the U.S. Court of Federal Claims.

You may not know it, but there is an official federal "vaccine court," where some 4,750 autism-related cases have been pending for years. Claimants believe the mercury-based vaccine preservative, thimerosal, and/or the MMR vaccine, contributed to their children's autism, and they are seeking compensation from a special vaccine injury fund administered by the federal government.

The long-awaited autism vaccine trial will commence on June 11 in the courtroom of Special Master George Hastings. The plaintiffs and their attorneys have asked for complete transparency in every aspect of the tribunal, including public disclosure of all evidence and unhindered media access to the hearings. The few autism families whose medical records will be scrutinized as legal examples are waiving their right to privacy and confidentiality, so that their stories may finally be told in an open court of law.

But the DOJ (technically, the "defense") has other plans. On November 3rd, the Department wrote to Hastings saying it "would oppose public access to the courtroom and public broadcast of the trial," because such an arrangement. "would pose security and privacy concerns" for those in attendance.

Exactly whose privacy are they trying to protect? It can't be the parents, because they don't want privacy. The only party fretting about privacy is the DOJ itself, and presumably, the vaccine makers. (As for "security" concerns, isn't that why we have court officers?).

The government may call this privacy, but I call it secrecy. In fact, there has been a long and unseemly history of secrecy when it comes to federal data on thimerosal and autism.

And let's face it: People don't hide something unless they have something to hide.

Back in 2002, Health and Human Services lawyers quietly slipped into vaccine court to file a protection order to permanently seal all thimerosal-related documents. They proposed sanctions for any lawyer who shared the secret government information with autism families, the public or the press. All thimerosal data would be banned from use in future civil cases, and any materials already given to plaintiffs would be rounded up by federal agents and destroyed. The motion was withdrawn after appropriate public outcry.

Many of those federal documents pertained to an off-limits database called the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), which tracks the medical records of hundreds of thousands of American children. Lawyers for the families have tried to gain access to the VSD for years, including a 2004 "Motion to Compel" that went nowhere.

In 2005, the Institute of Medicine issued a report slamming the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which manages the VSD, for a "lack of transparency" in handling the data. Even more alarming, CDC officials testified that the original datasets they examined had "not been archived in a standard fashion," meaning they were either lost, or destroyed. Take your pick.

If the disappearance of these datasets was intentional, that would be a clear violation of the federal Data Quality Act. No wonder the IOM urged vaccine officials to "seek legal advice" on the status of the missing records.

But those missing datasets could well have been a bonanza to attorneys for the autism parents. Now they are gone.

And, without access to any of the raw data to which government lawyers are privy, the families' cases are woefully, and unconstitutionally, disadvantaged. In what other American court of law are defendants allowed access to evidence that is kept secret from plaintiffs?

Meanwhile, family lawyers have received 216,000 pages of discovery materials, sourced from federal agencies and private companies alike. They might well paint an incriminating portrait of thimerosal's role in autism, and that may be why individuals face a $250,000 penalty for any paper that is leaked.

But some documents have already been leaked, including one published in the Los Angeles Times showing that Merck officials knew of the cumulative and alarmingly high levels of mercury in vaccines way back in 1991, but said nothing about it to anyone.

Are there other incriminating memos from Merck (or Lilly or Glaxo, etc.)? My sources indicate that there are, but we may never get to see them. And now, by barring public access to the trial, we may never get to hear them, either.

If the DOJ has its way, only claimants and their attorneys will be allowed to sit in the courtroom, or receive password-enabled access to a live audio webcast of the trial. The media will be barred, and so will everyone else. And though there will be an official written transcript, such documents are sometimes redacted, or even sealed, after the trial.

As a journalist, I will be subject to "sanctions" if I sit in on a webcast without authorization from the court. In fact, unauthorized access to the proceedings, according to the DOJ proposal, might lead to "termination of the webcast and closing of the courtroom."

What remains unclear is whether journalists will be prosecuted for interviewing families who have access to the webcast, or who attend the trial in person. But if I get arrested for hanging around outside the court with my pen and notepad, don't blame me for trying.

Curiously, a final reason cited for barring reporters and others from vaccine court is that "opening the courtroom to the general public would make it more difficult for claimants themselves to attend." I know plenty of parents who would gladly give up their seat for, say, Wolf Blitzer or Brian Williams, but the DOJ apparently hasn't asked them.

I think it's safe to say that the Bush Administration does not want this trial publicized. That seems curious to me. The entire thimerosal question will likely be left up to just one man: Special Master Hastings. Whether he decides for the parents, or for the DOJ, his ruling will forever be considered within a vacuum, subject to intense criticism from either side, unless he agrees that all thimerosal evidence should at long last be made public.

I hope he rules that his courtroom is not Guantanamo. These parents, and the public at large, deserve no less.

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PS: My last post predicted that most autism parents would be voting Democratic this November, without giving proper credit to two members of the House GOP. Dan Burton (R-IN) and Dave Weldon (R-FL) are among the most open minded members when it comes to the mercury-autism hypothesis, and I apologize for the omission.

Meanwhile, Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) has been hostile, at best, to the theory. I congratulate Rep. Waxman on his ascendancy to the House Government Reform Committee Chairmanship, and respectfully ask him to read "Evidence of Harm," and, if possible and when he has time, to offer a response on the Huffington Post.

I encourage everyone to spread the word about the secrecy of this court. The parents don't want it, the government does. Wheter or not someone believes the link is irrelavant, but it is like the pediatrician who posted said, if we have nothing to hide, why the secrecy?

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"Only after the last tree has been cut down…the last river has been poisoned…the last fish caught, only then will you find that money cannot be eaten." Cree Indian Prophesy.

"All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Ford	Posted: November 20, 2006 01:30 am
Administrator Group: Admin Posts: 361 Member No.: 1 Joined: June 07, 2006	Ok, the judge hasn't ruled on this yet, but if everything is left sealed there is going to be a huge protest march. Things are just now starting to develop, but keep an eye on this thread. -------------------- "Only after the last tree has been cut down…the last river has been poisoned…the last fish caught, only then will you find that money cannot be eaten." Cree Indian Prophesy. "All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident." -- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Jim	Posted: November 21, 2006 03:44 am
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